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This is what tipped me off to something strange: Any kind of programmer should know full well there are differences between "variables" and "arguments" but semantics, so I digress.
 
This is what tipped me off to something strange: Any kind of programmer should know full well there are differences between "variables" and "arguments" but semantics, so I digress.
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The second tip off is, why is he deobfuscating our plugin? Is he trying to edit a function in it? Or is he trying to take it for himself?
  
 
Furthermore, unused arguments aren't uncommon. Look at RPG Maker MZ's coresripts. There are functions all over the place that have unused arguments.
 
Furthermore, unused arguments aren't uncommon. Look at RPG Maker MZ's coresripts. There are functions all over the place that have unused arguments.
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At this point, I'm fed up. It'd be faster to just take things to court and let the lawyers have a good laugh.
 
At this point, I'm fed up. It'd be faster to just take things to court and let the lawyers have a good laugh.
  
However, he tries to conclude the whole thing on his own, putting words in my mouth that I "have no intention of making things right". Keep this in mind, this inserting-words-into-other-people's-mouths is a recurring tactic of his.
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However, he tries to conclude the whole thing on his own, putting words in my mouth that I "have no intention of making things right".  
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Keep this in mind, this inserting-words-into-other-people's-mouths is a recurring tactic of his.
  
 
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"If you're willing to reveal to public the full plugin, everyone can see for themselves"
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In another words, probably another individual who is hampered by obfuscation and cannot read the code as it is. Suddenly, it makes sense as to why he deobfuscated our plugin in the first place.
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However, revealing it to the public isn't the only way to get a plagiarism check on things. Especially since we can have unrelated third-party individuals check it. Keep this part in mind, too.
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Now, the part with the Public_0_Dragonbones.js not having the aforementioned MIT license notification is correct. We were lacking in that.
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However, that's not infringement. Infringement refers to laws. Violations refer to conditions. It'd be correct to say we were violating a condition. You can argue it's semantics, but the United States court treats cases for law infringements and licensing condition violations differently.
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But! Even the [http://www.dragonbones.com/en/download.html Github linked from Dragonbones.com's website] fails to include their own MIT license as a part of it. [https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DragonBones/DragonBonesJS/master/Cocos/1.x/out/dragonBones.min.js Example seen here]. Either way, adding the license back to the Public_0_Dragonbones.js plugin is no big deal.
  
 
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| I don't know why he is so set on calling it infringement. I'm guessing it's because he doesn't have an understanding on how different laws, intellectual property, or licenses are from one another.
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Either way, I show him proof that it was never sold.
  
 
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| He never mentioned the third "infringement", to which, leads me to believe that he probably thought it was illegal for me to sell the Dragonbones library MIT license.
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And yes, that's actually semi-true, except, that's only if there were changes to the code breaking the "as if" clause of the MIT license.
  
 
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Introduction

August is one magical month. It's the month where people like to seem like to get angry and defecate onto other people's otherwise peaceful lives for no reason. No good reason, I should say. Restart, the creator of Fossil MZ, decided to do just that.

Part 1. Accusations

FossilDrama Part1 001.jpg Out of the blue, I got this direct message in Discord one day.

The first thing that comes to mind is how strangely worded this whole thing is. Why?

  1. It's extremely vague with what is the actual problem.
  2. It's extremely vague with who actually "verified" the problem.
  3. It's extremely vague why I need to be there in person to answer questions.

And for those wondering, he never answered which are the members that "verified" this.

FossilDrama Part1 001b.jpg I'm sorry, but when I see people texting and driving, it angers me. It reeks of irresponsibility.
FossilDrama Part1 002.jpg I don't understand why this couldn't have been stated in his initial post. Is it so hard to say "I think there's a potential copyright violation with your Dragonbones Union plugin" to get the point instead of skirting around?

I also don't know why this is even a copyright violation in the first place since the MV plugin is something that both The Green Kel and I have collaborated on. Apparently, I can infringe upon my own copyrighted work?

FossilDrama Part1 003.jpg Do you want to know why I'm so confident that we aren't using the code from the KELYEP_DragonBones.js?

That's because we tried to use it and it wasn't compatible with the new PixiJS version.

This was attempted three times over.

  1. First attempt was a direct port.
  2. Second attempt was a modified port.
  3. Third attempt was a PixiJS function reversion. It "worked" but it also broke everything else. However, that's a story for another day.

Ultimately, we decided the best course of action was to recreate the integration from the ground up.

FossilDrama Part1 004.jpg He shows one function that had an argument (what he calls a "variable") that was unused.

This is what tipped me off to something strange: Any kind of programmer should know full well there are differences between "variables" and "arguments" but semantics, so I digress.

The second tip off is, why is he deobfuscating our plugin? Is he trying to edit a function in it? Or is he trying to take it for himself?

Furthermore, unused arguments aren't uncommon. Look at RPG Maker MZ's coresripts. There are functions all over the place that have unused arguments.

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Like that.

However, at this point, I'm still unsure at what he's trying to get at.

FossilDrama Part1 005.jpg It was getting late for me so I didn't want to deal with it.

I figured if anything, settling it in court would be better than prancing around with someone who probably doesn't even know programming all that well.

The next odd thing I'm hearing from this person is that I'm "infringing" upon a library under the MIT license. I don't know about you, but something about that doesn't sound right. "Infringement" refers to the violation of a law, but the only thing I can think of regarding this is "copyright law". But even then, that's under MIT. Still, suspicious.

In addition to that, he still refused to answer me which "community members" are responsible for letting him know this information.

FossilDrama Part1 006.jpg At this point, he's arguing that the usage of a generic function name "loadComplete" is plagiarism-worthy.

Which, sure we do have a function in Dragonbones Union called "loadComplete", but this is like trying to call someone out for using generic sentences in a book that is shared across many. Imagine going to court because one book contains "Oh my God" in it and stepping on the toes of another book.

At this point, I'm fed up. It'd be faster to just take things to court and let the lawyers have a good laugh.

However, he tries to conclude the whole thing on his own, putting words in my mouth that I "have no intention of making things right".

Keep this in mind, this inserting-words-into-other-people's-mouths is a recurring tactic of his.

FossilDrama Part1 007.jpg Here is another thing that tipped me off.

"If you're willing to reveal to public the full plugin, everyone can see for themselves"

In another words, probably another individual who is hampered by obfuscation and cannot read the code as it is. Suddenly, it makes sense as to why he deobfuscated our plugin in the first place.

However, revealing it to the public isn't the only way to get a plagiarism check on things. Especially since we can have unrelated third-party individuals check it. Keep this part in mind, too.

Now, the part with the Public_0_Dragonbones.js not having the aforementioned MIT license notification is correct. We were lacking in that.

However, that's not infringement. Infringement refers to laws. Violations refer to conditions. It'd be correct to say we were violating a condition. You can argue it's semantics, but the United States court treats cases for law infringements and licensing condition violations differently.

But! Even the Github linked from Dragonbones.com's website fails to include their own MIT license as a part of it. Example seen here. Either way, adding the license back to the Public_0_Dragonbones.js plugin is no big deal.

FossilDrama Part1 008.jpg I don't know why he is so set on calling it infringement. I'm guessing it's because he doesn't have an understanding on how different laws, intellectual property, or licenses are from one another.

Either way, I show him proof that it was never sold.

FossilDrama Part1 009.jpg He never mentioned the third "infringement", to which, leads me to believe that he probably thought it was illegal for me to sell the Dragonbones library MIT license.

And yes, that's actually semi-true, except, that's only if there were changes to the code breaking the "as if" clause of the MIT license.

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